The new songs are horrible. They put you in a trance. The old ones for the memorial were quite pleasing and even upbeat (Hail Jehovah's First Born), but that is no longer the case.
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Memorial 2010 Your Experiences
by scotinsw injust got back from memorial.
only went so that i could say to my parents that i had gone and to remind myself why i left.. oh my word!!!
it was sooooo painful.. got there a bit late - it was a couple of minutes into the talk.
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CO visit provides preview of April generation change!
by agent zero ini thought the april wt's brazen generation doctrine change would barely get an official mention before nor after the two paragraphs that deal with it, but yesterday i went to the circuit overseer's visit and in a talk from a bethel outline, he specifically mentioned the change, and i quote... "the very very very newest information we have available, from the april 15th 2010 watchtower!
" ..reads the infamous paragraphs.. and then, "isn't that wonderful brothers and sisters?
so now we understand that it means that brother russell's life overlapped with brother rutherford's who's life overlapped (he went through them all), so clearly, this means the end is near.".
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This C.O. may not be a true believer anymore. Perhaps he's trying to wake people up in his own way.
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Feel the Love ? ... continued
by AK - Jeff innov 15, 1952 watchtower pp.703-704 questions from readers .
questions from readers.
in the case of where a father or mother or son or daughter is disfellowshiped, how should such person be treated by members of the family in their family relationship?p.c., ontario, canada.. we are not living today among theocratic nations where such members of our fleshly family relationship could be exterminated for apostasy from god and his theocratic organization, as was possible and was ordered in the nation of israel in the wilderness of sinai and in the land of palestine.
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What I have always found odd about this QFR (in addition to the obvious) is that the question has nothing to do with disfellowshipping for apostasy.
It's as if one can only be disfellowshipped for apostasy -- but we know that's not the case. Perhaps the author was not paying attention.
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Well, I told my mom today that I haven't been to a meeting in 5 months plus I need some advise for next Saturday
by doublelife inme and my mom made plans to see each other today so this morning she called me and said she was already in my area and wanted to know where to meet up.
i told her that i wasn't ready yet so to come to my apartment first.
i said that me and my husband are still in our pjs and she gasped and ask, "you didn't go to the meeting today?
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Well, I told my mom today that I haven't been to a meeting in 5 months plus I need some advise for next Saturday
by doublelife inme and my mom made plans to see each other today so this morning she called me and said she was already in my area and wanted to know where to meet up.
i told her that i wasn't ready yet so to come to my apartment first.
i said that me and my husband are still in our pjs and she gasped and ask, "you didn't go to the meeting today?
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They will focus on 2 Chronicles 36:21 and Daniel 9:2. Remember, Daniel said 'devastations' -- plural. 2 Chron talks about sabbaths DURING the time the land was desolated and how Jeremiah's 70 years were fulfilled by the Persian overthrow of Babylon addressed in that same chapter.
These are one sentence references to Jeremiah 25. To know what Jeremiah said, make them read the whole chapter. Remember when you get to the section on calamity starting with Jerusalem late in the chapter, the Society applies this to events taking place in Jehoiakim's reign -- not the Temple destruction.
This also brings us to when Daniel was actually taken from Jerusalem. He was taken before the major deportation that occurred under Jehoiachin. In Daniel chapter 1, Daniel himself claims he was taken under Jehoiakim along with some of the Temple utensils. But, the Society claims he was taken under Jehoiachin. Ask them why, since 2 Chron 36 describes two separate Temple raids -- the Society glosses over this.
Focus on one point only at first: Where in Jeremiah's 25th chapter do we find the reason to apply the '70 years' to the destruction of the Temple and Jerusalem rather than 70 years of servitude for all the nations mentioned in the chapter? No where will you find anything about Sabbath's for the land of Judah nor anything about the destruction of the Temple.
It is critical to understand how and why the Society has interpreted these verses. It takes some time to understand all this. Do not focus on the 'secular' evidence. Focus on the Bible and the Society's flawed interpretation.
Another Jeremiah point; focus on how Jeremiah 29 was written to exiles taken about 10 years before the destruction of the Temple (were they to be there 80 rather than 70 years?).
Finally, Zechariah chapter 7: These verses are NOT about the 70 Years of Jeremiah's prophecy but about what had been happening the past 70 years -- specifically, since the destruction of the Temple. According to the Insight Volumes he wrote this in December of 518 BCE (within the 70th year of the 587 BCE destruction date). If he did not really mean that, why did he write it? Should we not stick to the obvious and plain meaning of scriptures?
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 02-07-10 WT Review (ADVANCEMENT)
by blondie in"--1 tim.
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Whatever happened to the poster named V?
by SnakesInTheTower ini get a 403 message for the watchtower comments web site... the youtube channel hasnt been visited by v in 8 months and it was april when v was here last?.
anyone know what ever became of v?
thanks for the update....pm me if you would rather not post on the public board.... snakes (rich .
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NEW GENERATION DEFINED -- April 15, 2010 Watchtower
by Ultimate Reality infrom jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .
article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.
13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.
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They have been planning this since the convoluted explanation in 2008. When the current 2010 article says, "It usually refers to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period", it is referring to the 2008 article that created this definition (see below). Of course, this does not fit the 1st Century parallel, and no one would ever read Jesus' words and arrive at this meaning, but faith in 1914 and the urgency of the times must be maintained.
From the February 15, 2008 Watchtower; the 'box' on Can We Calculate the Length of "This Generation"?:
The word "generation" usually refers to people of various ages whose lives overlap during a particular time period or event. For example, Exodus 1:6 tells us: "Eventually Joseph died, and also all his brothers and all that generation." Joseph and his brothers varied in age, but they shared a common experience during the same time period. Included in "that generation" were some of Joseph's brothers who were born before him. Some of these outlived Joseph. (Gen. 50:24) Others of "that generation," such as Benjamin, were born after Joseph was born and may have lived on after he died.
So when the term "generation" is used with reference to people living at a particular time, the exact length of that time cannot be stated except that it does have an end and would not be excessively long. Therefore, by using the term "this generation," as recorded at Matthew 24:34, Jesus did not give his disciples a formula to enable them to determine when "the last days" would end. Rather, Jesus went on to emphasize that they would not know "that day and hour."—2 Tim. 3:1; Matt. 24:36.
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NEW GENERATION DEFINED -- April 15, 2010 Watchtower
by Ultimate Reality infrom jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .
article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.
13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.
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This now marks the 6th definition of the Generation in the Society's history. Four of which have been applicable at some point over the past 15 years or so.
I love how the false premise of Proverbs 4:18 sets up this argument. Proverbs 4 talks about how a person lives their life -- it has nothing to do with 'new' truths.
For lurkers, see jwfacts.com for more details on the development of the concept of new light and the history of the Generation.
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NEW GENERATION DEFINED -- April 15, 2010 Watchtower
by Ultimate Reality infrom jw.org, here is the new definition of the generation from the april 15, 2010 watchtower.. .
article: holy spirits role in the outworking of jehovahs purpose.
13 third, holy spirit is at work in bringing bible.
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From jw.org, here is the new definition of the Generation from the April 15, 2010 Watchtower.
Article: Holy Spirit’s Role in the Outworking of Jehovah’s Purpose
13 Third, holy spirit is at work in bringing Bible
truths to light. (Prov. 4:18) This magazine has
long been used by “the faithful and discreet slave”
as the primary channel for dispensing increased
light. (Matt. 24:45) For example, consider our understanding
of those who make up “this generation”
mentioned by Jesus. (Read Matthew 24:32-
34.) To what generation did Jesus refer? The article
“Christ’s Presence—What Does It Mean to You?”
explained that Jesus was referring, not to the wicked,
but to his disciples, who were soon to be anointed
with holy spirit. Jesus’ anointed followers, both
in the first century and in our day, would be the ones
who would not only see the sign but also discern its
meaning—that Jesus “is near at the doors.”
14 What does this explanation mean to us? Although
we cannot measure the exact length of “this
generation,” we do well to keep in mind several
things about the word “generation”: It usually refers
to people of varying ages whose lives overlap during
a particular time period; it is not excessively long;
and it has an end. (Ex. 1:6) How, then, are we to
understand Jesus’ words about “this generation”?
He evidently meant that the lives of the anointed
who were on hand when the sign began to become
evident in 1914 would overlap with the lives of other
anointed ones who would see the start of the great
tribulation. That generation had a beginning, and it
surely will have an end. The fulfillment of the various
features of the sign clearly indicate that the tribulation
must be near. By maintaining your sense of
urgency and keeping on the watch, you show that
you are keeping up with advancing light and following
the leadings of holy spirit.—Mark 13:37.